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Hi, I just got that Bluescreen again with the third HD in 2 years... Are HDDs really so prone to failure? I've checked my Ram, no errors. What other cause could there be? I mean come on, two toshiba HDDs failed within 2 months and the SSHD Im using now at least survived 1.5 years. Its a seagate by the way, if that is of any relevance.
Post edited September 19, 2015 by Soccorro
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Soccorro: Hi, I just got that Bluescreen again with the third HD in 2 years... Are HDDs really so prone to failure? I've checked my Ram, no errors. What other cause could there be? I mean come on, two toshiba HDDs failed within 2 months and the SSHD Im using now at least survived 1.5 years. Its a seagate by the way, if that is of any relevance.
I had the same thing pretty much happen to me when I was using Toshiba hard drives. ive switched to a western digital black now and its been working greatsince . has a five year warranty and everything.
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Soccorro: Hi, I just got that Bluescreen again with the third HD in 2 years... Are HDDs really so prone to failure? I've checked my Ram, no errors. What other cause could there be? I mean come on, two toshiba HDDs failed within 2 months and the SSHD Im using now at least survived 1.5 years. Its a seagate by the way, if that is of any relevance.
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coxdr: I had the same thing pretty much happen to me when I was using Toshiba hard drives. ive switched to a western digital black now and its been working greatsince . has a five year warranty and everything.
Would you recommend a WD blue sshd? Or should i get a WD black?
I know the black is better with data intensive things and it also comes with the longer warranty so I would go black. I really don't know enough about the blue one though so perhaps someone with one could tell you more.
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coxdr: I know the black is better with data intensive things and it also comes with the longer warranty so I would go black. I really don't know enough about the blue one though so perhaps someone with one could tell you more.
And i thought seagate's sshds are reliable :/ ah well...

And thanks a lot
Post edited September 19, 2015 by Soccorro
About HDD, please make sure you don't have any magnets or electromagnets (coils carrying current) close to them, if use floppy, cassette deck or some other magnetic recording device in your PC make sure it's not right next to your hard drives (they should be at least 1 empty space above or below them). For SSD failures check the power connectors and your power supply, do you experience often electricity blackouts or failed other electricity appliances (probably overcharge due to some use of generators or bad network). Also for those, since they have limited write cycles per life it's not a good thing to constantly seed many, large torrents and/or use them on a heavy load servers.
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Soccorro: Hi, I just got that Bluescreen again with the third HD in 2 years... Are HDDs really so prone to failure? I've checked my Ram, no errors. What other cause could there be? I mean come on, two toshiba HDDs failed within 2 months and the SSHD Im using now at least survived 1.5 years. Its a seagate by the way, if that is of any relevance.
Hard disks are very susceptible to vibration damage over time, even vibration of a fan or something on a desk, or the vibration of other fans/components inside the computer itself. Both constant small vibrations as well as jarring, bumps etc. Dropping things on one's desk, bumping the desk, slamming a desk drawer and other vibrations can reduce the life of a drive and end up with premature failure. If someone has an environment that is susceptible to vibration or bumping/jarring even in ways one would think are small and insignificant, it can damage drives over time. They remap bad sectors transparently to the operating system and you wont see errors until all of the remapping space is used up on the drive, then drive errors after that become OS visible bad sectors. High quality modern computer cases have added rubber anti-vibration grommets where the drives are attached in order to help minimize the problem, but not all computers have them.

Also, external hard drives are particularly vulnerable to vibration because of their inherent portability leads to higher likelihood of being physically moved around, pushed or pulled or having a pencil or something bounce off them etc. while they are running. Again, you generally will not see bad sectors visible to the OS right away because they get remapped.

Premature drive failure is usually linked to excessive vibration/jarring in this manner, so it's a good idea to have a setup that has the rubber grommets for the drives, make sure all drive screws are in place and not just one or two, and do everything possible to reduce internal case vibrations as well as vibrations that may come in contact with or near the computer, the desk it is on etc.

SSDs are not to my knowledge susceptible to vibration related issues but they are susceptible to unexpected power outage related problems. Intel drives are generally affected the least by this, but other brands may be affected more. There are research articles online about the phenomenon which are interesting reads.

Another problem that can affect both HDDs and SSDs is bad power. If the drives are not getting good clean power from a good PSU, they may end up having a shortened life span also. I've seen drives conk out from bad PSU issues before as well.

On a parting note, I can say one more thing about hard disks and branding. I've been building and using PCs for myself and others for 25 years roughly and have used pretty much the majority of brands of hard disks that have been in the marketplace all this time both from low end bargain/value type drives through mid to high end consumer drives and enterprise class drives. ATA/SATA/SCSI, you name it. The bottom line is that despite what any one person's advice might say to the contrary out there - there is no perfect hard drive company. If you ask 100 people what hard drives are the most reliable one person will tell you they've had hundreds of brand A drives for 20 years and never had a single drive fail and person B will tell you they've had nothing but problems with brand A's drives for 20 years and had every single drive fail. This will repeat through every single brand of drives there is so long as there are enough people following the conversation and participating. There is no hard disk company out there producing 100% rock solid drives on every model they make in every factory on every day without any duds. Every brand has produced duds or had problems from time to time and if someone gets one of them they'll swear off that brand forever to the end of time. Does anyone remember the good old IBM Deskstar from 12-13 years ago, a.k.a. the "Deathstar"? There you go. :)

So my advice is to ensure the computer case and desk area is free of vibrations and other shocks, use rubber grommets for attaching disks and ensure every single screw is tightened in all disks always, not just one to hold it in place but make it easier to remove - that will speed up the death of a drive. For brands, I would research online general consensus about current brands and models to see if there are particular models known to be duds at the moment, and avoid that drive or that brand for now and choose one that hasn't had duds in a while. But I'd also recommend avoiding brand loyalty or the false illusion that any given brand always produces stellar flawless products - they all produce crap sometimes.

Hope this helps.
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Soccorro: Hi, I just got that Bluescreen again with the third HD in 2 years... Are HDDs really so prone to failure? I've checked my Ram, no errors. What other cause could there be? I mean come on, two toshiba HDDs failed within 2 months and the SSHD Im using now at least survived 1.5 years. Its a seagate by the way, if that is of any relevance.
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skeletonbow: Hard disks are very susceptible to vibration damage over time, even vibration of a fan or something on a desk, or the vibration of other fans/components inside the computer itself. Both constant small vibrations as well as jarring, bumps etc. Dropping things on one's desk, bumping the desk, slamming a desk drawer and other vibrations can reduce the life of a drive and end up with premature failure. If someone has an environment that is susceptible to vibration or bumping/jarring even in ways one would think are small and insignificant, it can damage drives over time. They remap bad sectors transparently to the operating system and you wont see errors until all of the remapping space is used up on the drive, then drive errors after that become OS visible bad sectors. High quality modern computer cases have added rubber anti-vibration grommets where the drives are attached in order to help minimize the problem, but not all computers have them.

Also, external hard drives are particularly vulnerable to vibration because of their inherent portability leads to higher likelihood of being physically moved around, pushed or pulled or having a pencil or something bounce off them etc. while they are running. Again, you generally will not see bad sectors visible to the OS right away because they get remapped.

Premature drive failure is usually linked to excessive vibration/jarring in this manner, so it's a good idea to have a setup that has the rubber grommets for the drives, make sure all drive screws are in place and not just one or two, and do everything possible to reduce internal case vibrations as well as vibrations that may come in contact with or near the computer, the desk it is on etc.

SSDs are not to my knowledge susceptible to vibration related issues but they are susceptible to unexpected power outage related problems. Intel drives are generally affected the least by this, but other brands may be affected more. There are research articles online about the phenomenon which are interesting reads.

Another problem that can affect both HDDs and SSDs is bad power. If the drives are not getting good clean power from a good PSU, they may end up having a shortened life span also. I've seen drives conk out from bad PSU issues before as well.

On a parting note, I can say one more thing about hard disks and branding. I've been building and using PCs for myself and others for 25 years roughly and have used pretty much the majority of brands of hard disks that have been in the marketplace all this time both from low end bargain/value type drives through mid to high end consumer drives and enterprise class drives. ATA/SATA/SCSI, you name it. The bottom line is that despite what any one person's advice might say to the contrary out there - there is no perfect hard drive company. If you ask 100 people what hard drives are the most reliable one person will tell you they've had hundreds of brand A drives for 20 years and never had a single drive fail and person B will tell you they've had nothing but problems with brand A's drives for 20 years and had every single drive fail. This will repeat through every single brand of drives there is so long as there are enough people following the conversation and participating. There is no hard disk company out there producing 100% rock solid drives on every model they make in every factory on every day without any duds. Every brand has produced duds or had problems from time to time and if someone gets one of them they'll swear off that brand forever to the end of time. Does anyone remember the good old IBM Deskstar from 12-13 years ago, a.k.a. the "Deathstar"? There you go. :)

So my advice is to ensure the computer case and desk area is free of vibrations and other shocks, use rubber grommets for attaching disks and ensure every single screw is tightened in all disks always, not just one to hold it in place but make it easier to remove - that will speed up the death of a drive. For brands, I would research online general consensus about current brands and models to see if there are particular models known to be duds at the moment, and avoid that drive or that brand for now and choose one that hasn't had duds in a while. But I'd also recommend avoiding brand loyalty or the false illusion that any given brand always produces stellar flawless products - they all produce crap sometimes.

Hope this helps.
Thanks for the effort! :D Well, I've had two electricity outages with the SSHD and for some reason it had to run checkdisk a couple of months after purchase. Also, I have a thermaltake big tower. The HDD slots are right behind a huge cooler.
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Soccorro: 3 HD in 2 years [..] 2 failed within 2 months [..] SSHD 1.5 years
WTF, what an hecatomb!
Dude, my oldest disk has like 10 years with 24\7 heavy usage and the other ones are all fine. O_o
What are you doing to that poor hardware?

P.S: btw, are you sure that the bluescreen error type = failed drive?
Post edited September 19, 2015 by phaolo
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Soccorro: 3 HD in 2 years [..] 2 failed within 2 months [..] SSHD 1.5 years
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phaolo: WTF, what an hecatomb!
Dude, my oldest disk has like 10 years with 24\7 heavy usage and the other ones are all fine. O_o
What are you doing to that poor hardware?

P.S: btw, are you sure about that bluescreen error type?
no clue what happenned! :/

Whocrashed say this:

On Fri 18.09.2015 19:53:06 GMT your computer crashed
crash dump file: C:\Windows\Minidump\091815-20436-01.dmp
This was probably caused by the following module: ntoskrnl.exe (nt+0x735C0)
Bugcheck code: 0x7A (0x4, 0x200, 0xFFFFFA8009494370, 0xFFFFF8A00B819034)
Error: KERNEL_DATA_INPAGE_ERROR
file path: C:\Windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
product: Microsoft® Windows® Operating System
company: Microsoft Corporation
description: NT Kernel & System
Bug check description: This bug check indicates that the requested page of kernel data from the paging file could not be read into memory.
The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time.



On Fri 18.09.2015 19:53:06 GMT your computer crashed
crash dump file: C:\Windows\memory.dmp
This was probably caused by the following module: ntkrnlmp.exe (nt!KeBugCheckEx+0x0)
Bugcheck code: 0x7A (0x4, 0x200, 0xFFFFFA8009494370, 0xFFFFF8A00B819034)
Error: KERNEL_DATA_INPAGE_ERROR
Bug check description: This bug check indicates that the requested page of kernel data from the paging file could not be read into memory.
The crash took place in the Windows kernel. Possibly this problem is caused by another driver that cannot be identified at this time.
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Soccorro: no clue what happenned! :/
But when do you get that error? Immediately at start, after the login in Windows, when running some program, randomly, etc..
Did you run a checkdisk?
Did you try Safe Mode?
What does the hdd Smart report say?
Did you install something recently? (expecially drivers)
Post edited September 19, 2015 by phaolo
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Soccorro: no clue what happenned! :/
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phaolo: But when do you get that error? Immediately at start, after the login in Windows, when running some program, randomly, etc..
Did you run a checkdisk?
Did you try Safe Mode?
What does the hdd Smart report say?
Did you install something recently? (expecially drivers)
i was talking via teamspeak and the computer was running for at least 4 hours i think
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Soccorro: Hi, I just got that Bluescreen again with the third HD in 2 years... Are HDDs really so prone to failure? I've checked my Ram, no errors. What other cause could there be? I mean come on, two toshiba HDDs failed within 2 months and the SSHD Im using now at least survived 1.5 years. Its a seagate by the way, if that is of any relevance.
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skeletonbow: Hard disks are very susceptible to vibration damage over time, even vibration of a fan or something on a desk, or the vibration of other fans/components inside the computer itself. Both constant small vibrations as well as jarring, bumps etc. Dropping things on one's desk, bumping the desk, slamming a desk drawer and other vibrations can reduce the life of a drive and end up with premature failure. If someone has an environment that is susceptible to vibration or bumping/jarring even in ways one would think are small and insignificant, it can damage drives over time. They remap bad sectors transparently to the operating system and you wont see errors until all of the remapping space is used up on the drive, then drive errors after that become OS visible bad sectors. High quality modern computer cases have added rubber anti-vibration grommets where the drives are attached in order to help minimize the problem, but not all computers have them.

Also, external hard drives are particularly vulnerable to vibration because of their inherent portability leads to higher likelihood of being physically moved around, pushed or pulled or having a pencil or something bounce off them etc. while they are running. Again, you generally will not see bad sectors visible to the OS right away because they get remapped.

Premature drive failure is usually linked to excessive vibration/jarring in this manner, so it's a good idea to have a setup that has the rubber grommets for the drives, make sure all drive screws are in place and not just one or two, and do everything possible to reduce internal case vibrations as well as vibrations that may come in contact with or near the computer, the desk it is on etc.

SSDs are not to my knowledge susceptible to vibration related issues but they are susceptible to unexpected power outage related problems. Intel drives are generally affected the least by this, but other brands may be affected more. There are research articles online about the phenomenon which are interesting reads.

Another problem that can affect both HDDs and SSDs is bad power. If the drives are not getting good clean power from a good PSU, they may end up having a shortened life span also. I've seen drives conk out from bad PSU issues before as well.

On a parting note, I can say one more thing about hard disks and branding. I've been building and using PCs for myself and others for 25 years roughly and have used pretty much the majority of brands of hard disks that have been in the marketplace all this time both from low end bargain/value type drives through mid to high end consumer drives and enterprise class drives. ATA/SATA/SCSI, you name it. The bottom line is that despite what any one person's advice might say to the contrary out there - there is no perfect hard drive company. If you ask 100 people what hard drives are the most reliable one person will tell you they've had hundreds of brand A drives for 20 years and never had a single drive fail and person B will tell you they've had nothing but problems with brand A's drives for 20 years and had every single drive fail. This will repeat through every single brand of drives there is so long as there are enough people following the conversation and participating. There is no hard disk company out there producing 100% rock solid drives on every model they make in every factory on every day without any duds. Every brand has produced duds or had problems from time to time and if someone gets one of them they'll swear off that brand forever to the end of time. Does anyone remember the good old IBM Deskstar from 12-13 years ago, a.k.a. the "Deathstar"? There you go. :)

So my advice is to ensure the computer case and desk area is free of vibrations and other shocks, use rubber grommets for attaching disks and ensure every single screw is tightened in all disks always, not just one to hold it in place but make it easier to remove - that will speed up the death of a drive. For brands, I would research online general consensus about current brands and models to see if there are particular models known to be duds at the moment, and avoid that drive or that brand for now and choose one that hasn't had duds in a while. But I'd also recommend avoiding brand loyalty or the false illusion that any given brand always produces stellar flawless products - they all produce crap sometimes.

Hope this helps.
An informative post, thank you. Could I ask your opinion on this:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008I36K2I?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
Icy Dock MB971SP. Internal drive which you can slide a 3.5 and a 2.5 drive into. Am interested on opinions on it as I have heard some bad things, but I have two in my machine, one for swapping out backup drives, so only 2.5 is used most of the time, and the other with a 2.5 and 3.5 in place, and they work like a charm. Just wondering if there is any likelihood of damage to the routinely used ones?
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phaolo: But when do you get that error? Immediately at start, after the login in Windows, when running some program, randomly, etc..
Did you run a checkdisk?
Did you try Safe Mode?
What does the hdd Smart report say?
Did you install something recently? (expecially drivers)
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Soccorro: i was talking via teamspeak and the computer was running for at least 4 hours i think
And the rest?
Also, did it only happen one time?
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Soccorro: i was talking via teamspeak and the computer was running for at least 4 hours i think
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phaolo: And the rest?
Also, did it only happen one time?
Once yesterday. Then i tried installing win 10 and the HDD just stopped working at 92% progress. The HDDs light just went out. I resetted and the HDD just bootet as usual, followed by a win 7 rollback.